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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain

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just south of area 51 my name is ryan

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the original overseer of the airwaves

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bringing you an epic episode today we

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have a good one on today's episode we

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have the returning guest mg stevens

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this is mg's second time on the podcast

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but bringing

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well she's bringing it this time

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she's bringing something different this

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time around

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a book

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by the name the boogeyman chronicles

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which she has had published since her

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last time here it is important to

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mention mg stevens also hosts her own

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popular podcast

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the boogeyman chronicles a podcast i

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have had the pleasure of appearing on

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mg and i share

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many beliefs when it comes to

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high strangeness

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we come at the situation from different

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cultural viewpoints at times it's always

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fun speaking with mg and i don't see why

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today would be any different with a

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fresh book on the market

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the amazing boogeyman chronicles

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and the amazing boogeyman chronicler

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mg stevens welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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thank you so much for having me again i

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yeah i have a feeling it's going to be

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this book is a really fun read and it's

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something that i've caught myself

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reading twice so

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what originally inspired you to write

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the book

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i had no idea actually

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it was just a thing i just sat down and

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and just kind of realized like i i

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really i i don't know i think maybe

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doing the podcast that i'm doing

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i started to realize i started

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having a lot of um

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you know similarities with my guests

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and i kept saying oh yeah me too me too

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and i found myself kind of um

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at times like cutting into and not

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knowing like not like trying to i felt

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still kind of terrible about that but i

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was sometimes cut into their time by

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telling half of my story and being like

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oh no no it's your time you know what i

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mean so i kind of took that whole thing

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where you know my whole entire life i've

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been really private i haven't said

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anything about the paranormal i keep it

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to myself

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and i i've just been real quiet about it

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just real private i just don't go you

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know i don't start talking about this

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kind of stuff and you know just randomly

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i don't know it just um

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of all the handful of times that i have

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told people stuff through the years

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they're like oh my god you've got to

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write a book you've had a lot of

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experiences right yeah and it finally

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yeah it finally just hit me like wow i

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have had a lot of experiences i'm going

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just realized like oh my god i've had a

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lifetime of paranormal experiences that

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believable or not um really happened and

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it's just i don't know something kind of

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that book just write it and see

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where it goes

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again there's times when i was writing

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where i was like why am i doing this why

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should i be doing this why you know i

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don't i don't like why am i doing this i

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don't normally do stuff like this but i

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just felt kind of compelled to do it so

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i sat down and and wrote everything out

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and it was kind of remarkable because i

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forgot a lot of stuff i pushed it to the

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uh so sitting there remembering all of

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this was kind of you know interesting

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and it was really kind of shocking to me

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because like wow i have been through

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some stuff

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well it is yeah let me it's a great book

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let me jump to one of my favorite parts

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of the book i have a few

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the backyard humanoid uh can we give

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moment and how that all went down

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could feel it just playing in the

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backyard you know i'd be like what the i

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felt like there was like a bunch of eyes

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and so you know everybody was afraid

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stuff so there was and it was horrible

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innocence at that time because you know

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fear hovering over everyone and i

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getting super creeped out about stuff i

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was just like oh my god someone is

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watching me and i remember i lived in

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kind of a wooded area to where someone

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someone else's land and it was just kind

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of like i was encroaching and i would

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get so freaked out i would run back

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bit of strangeness as well

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god what's up and just panic

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one window to another should we call the

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police what should we do who is that

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what is that and it was just this creepy

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figure that we could see standing in the

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backyard just watching

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a little kid the adults are terrified or

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the people taking care of you are

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terrified then you're terrified so i

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remember just standing by window and

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just watching this thing

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and i just didn't get much of a feeling

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from it it was just there

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um eventually just went away but it was

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it was terrifying you know i i don't

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even that i don't even know what to make

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of it

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shortly around the backyard humanoid

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event the the paranormal just ramped up

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in your life and

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go into some of those events and the

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presence that you know you could sense

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as a kid you know as a kid it seems like

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but yeah you could sense a presence

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couldn't you

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yeah everywhere i went this is when

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you know i wish i had known but again we

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were in more innocent times at that time

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you know and you know nowadays there's

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series and blah blah blah and shows

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everywhere about the paranormal where

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you know late 70s early 80s so

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i didn't have anything to go by i didn't

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know and so i

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was constantly at that point you know i

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was starting to become aware of my

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surroundings and it was very strange

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here i am a human person on planet earth

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with people and i'm also neurodivergent

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um i'm trying to you know understand the

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world around me on a different level and

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then yet at another on another level i

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have this efp

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and i don't know what to make of it and

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of course i'm kind of wondering does

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everyone see these things does everyone

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feel these things you know am i the only

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um so i was constantly

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in a house or being out with my sibling

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i was i was there but i wasn't there i

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was there talking to the people

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interacting but yet i constantly felt

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something on the back of my neck or

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i was aware of another presence or

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presence you know different things

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whatever was around if it was malicious

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like

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a human would bully me

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and did you know there are such thing as

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paranormal bullies

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and

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i've talked to so many people since

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who

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had the same thing they said i don't

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know what was in this house that i lived

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in

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but it just loved to torture me

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and i did it every night

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and i did it all day long you know if i

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was watching tv then something was

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holding my hair or something like that

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and the same thing happened to me it

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happened as early as two years old where

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you know wherever i went if there was

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something malicious

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it definitely found me and i remember my

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first encounter with something really

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hideously malicious was

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in my stepmother's

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condo

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and

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it was immediately

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i don't know how to explain it other

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than

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it just saw me it just kind of had me in

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its sights and it was just like

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ready to torture me and it did that

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every single night for years and years

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and years and even during the day i

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would hear stuff or feel things um but

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yeah i was constantly tormented by

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whatever this thing was i don't know if

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it was demonic

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it felt evil but it didn't feel demonic

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it felt it was weird because certain

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entities have different energy

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signatures

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and

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i don't know how else to explain it but

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it felt

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definitely feels like it headed out for

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me

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yes and can we discuss that i'm assuming

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you're talking about the lion's den

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when you were living with your dad and

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if it's okay can i read an excerpt of

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that

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of course yeah okay it's awesome the way

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you put this the nightly torture

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sessions

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continued and the activity escalated

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such good wording

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can we explain the events leading to

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that impish creature if possible and man

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the hissing oh my i mean

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any anywhere is a good place uh

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wherever is good for you to start

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okay

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well i would when i was little from

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about two to about eight years old i

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would just visit

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my dad and his wife

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and i would be tormented you know

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whenever i was there but

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when i turned about eight years old my

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mother

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um lost her business i had to go live

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with my dad

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and his wife and i

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walked up into that apartment you know

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just completely wrecked

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knowing full well

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oh boy this is it you know what i mean

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this whatever the thing is here because

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at this point i had

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i don't know how to say it but

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people will have to read the book they

366
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have to read the book yeah

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it was it was you know at this point by

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the time i was eight years old of

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constant being tortured by this thing

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it was like i knew you know like in

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school like you dread going to school

372
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because you know you're going to see

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that bully

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it was like that it had that same

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thinking dread of like oh god i'm i'm

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now moving into the apartment or condo

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that has the same

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and i knew i was right there where it

379
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wanted me to be

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and

381
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i remember at night

382
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it was just all night long just constant

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torture

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and i remember one night i was

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constantly being awakened by something

386
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it was you know either noise or the you

387
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know the bed chiefs would be ripped off

388
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that would be you know

389
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kicked or something you know shook and i

390
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was just like that's it so i decided one

391
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night i was probably about almost nine

392
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i decided okay that's it i'm going to go

393
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out in the living room i don't know

394
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where i got this idea from because

395
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it's the same apartment like i'm just

396
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going to another room like it's you know

397
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but um

398
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i figure since i'm going to be closer to

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my parents room then i'm safer right yes

400
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my eight-year-old brain was thinking so

401
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i

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more hours before school started and the

403
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alarm was gonna go off so

404
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um i laid down thinking okay i'm gonna

405
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get a few hours of sleep and then i'll

406
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hear the alarm because i would get in

407
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trouble if i was leaving on the couch so

408
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i heard i was like well if i hear the

409
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alarm i'll get up and then i'll

410
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go get ready and pretend like i was

411
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always in my room

412
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so

413
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i remember

414
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i doze off i'm laying on the couch

415
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and

416
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in no time at all

417
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something

418
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jumps on me

419
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and to this day i don't i didn't see it

420
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but it was it actually had weight to it

421
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and i could feel its arms

422
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and i remember i could feel something

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over my eyes

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and something over my nose and mouth

425
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and i couldn't breathe and i'm trying to

426
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scream

427
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and this thing is not letting me breathe

428
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and i'm gasping for air i'm trying you

429
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,399
know i'm biting this thing because i

430
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mean it's it literally is in my face

431
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hissing at me and it's

432
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just hissing like a like a scared animal

433
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or something or a mad animal yeah like a

434
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quartered animal and it kept hissing in

435
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my face i could feel the breath on my

436
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face

437
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and i could feel the weight of this

438
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thing and it was probably no more than

439
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about two or three feet tall

440
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and this thing and i'm a little kid and

441
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this thing is literally

442
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holding me down

443
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i'm i'm gasping for my last breath at

444
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:42,480
this point i'm running out of air i'm

445
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:43,839
done and i'm thinking oh my god i'm

446
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,040
gonna die

447
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:47,680
all of a sudden i hear in my head

448
00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,839
grab it by its arms and throw it down

449
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,160
and i'm like arms i don't

450
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,759
you know i'm just i'm freaking out

451
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,519
because i've got something i thought was

452
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a person

453
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:58,880
and i still remember i could see

454
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:01,440
underneath the hands and i'm not seeing

455
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:04,079
anything but i'm i'm thinking i'm this

456
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,720
is a person who snuck in or something

457
00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,640
because i could feel the weight of it on

458
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,959
me and so i'm thinking it's a person no

459
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,360
person i can't see anything

460
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,679
but i remember hearing grab a bite's

461
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,679
arms to throw it down and i'm like okay

462
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:19,600
so i reach up and i'm not kidding you i

463
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,720
can feel little spindly arms

464
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:24,720
and in my hands and i remember something

465
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:25,439
said

466
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:27,120
throw it down throw it down and i threw

467
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it down

468
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:30,160
and this thing i didn't see it again

469
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:31,280
there was enough light in the room to

470
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:32,799
where i could see something but i

471
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:33,919
couldn't see it

472
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i couldn't see anything and i remember

473
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:39,840
this thing went scampering away hissing

474
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snarling all the way i don't know where

475
00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:43,840
this thing went

476
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i sat

477
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,720
there gasping for air freaking out and

478
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,240
just looking everywhere for this thing

479
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,320
thinking it's it did it going to the

480
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couch where did it go and i'm looking

481
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,679
everywhere for it because

482
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you know

483
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,280
of like um

484
00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:03,360
uh what was that cat's eye or something

485
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,080
yes exactly what i was just thinking oh

486
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:08,480
my gosh yeah

487
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,000
it was like that it was like where did

488
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,080
this thing you know this is because

489
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again i didn't see anything but maybe it

490
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it does have a form it had to it was

491
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weighted you know and

492
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i'm not even kidding you i looked and

493
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looked and looked for this thing because

494
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i that's that movie was out around that

495
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time and i'm thinking okay some little

496
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goblin just came in and you know what i

497
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mean where but i couldn't find it and i

498
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,600
remember

499
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just being terrified i didn't know what

500
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to do because if i went into my parents

501
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room i would get yelled at so i i i

502
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didn't want to go back to my room um and

503
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i didn't want to turn on any lights

504
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because then i would wake someone up and

505
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i you know so i just sat there

506
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going what the f just happened to me

507
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and i remember um

508
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,840
trying not to wait my parents but yeah

509
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,760
being terrified of every little sound

510
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that you know whatever this thing was it

511
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:57,679
would come back what's gonna happen next

512
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i never knew

513
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:01,280
i lived constantly on eggshells

514
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and

515
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so yeah i stayed up for the rest of the

516
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the night i was it was probably around

517
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five or so and i stayed up till about

518
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,720
seven i just sat there hugging my knees

519
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,960
looking all around wondering what the

520
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:14,559
hell just happened

521
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,440
um

522
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so yeah that was one of them

523
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,720
that was one of the top

524
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,720
top scariest things i've ever been

525
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,360
through yeah and as adults we don't

526
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,520
realize like we need our sleep we need

527
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to go to work

528
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:30,000
as kids like this is how many sleepless

529
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,840
nights do kids have and in my opinion

530
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:35,679
you know we're a lot more

531
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,480
in touch with our authentic self if you

532
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,320
will when we're children and in my

533
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,400
opinion also you sum up a lot of the

534
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,360
feelings a lot of folks including myself

535
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,440
have about the paranormal

536
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:49,520
and especially as children is it okay if

537
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,200
i read a short excerpt from the book

538
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:55,840
okay so it says when you experience the

539
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,559
paranormal on any level

540
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:01,280
it is mind-blowing life-changing and

541
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:05,120
sometimes earth-shattering it is a world

542
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,000
said not to exist yet here it is coming

543
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:10,720
into your world and you're left to cope

544
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,679
many times all alone with no one to turn

545
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,000
to for help and that's the way a lot of

546
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,919
experiencers feel a darn good

547
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,280
description

548
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:21,840
and great words i i was floored when i

549
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,880
read this

550
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:25,120
and you know the

551
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,600
it there's a lot that goes into it the

552
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,679
boogeyman chronicles your book what i

553
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:31,200
like about it is it just kind of sticks

554
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,200
to the meat it does not

555
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,840
go down it's not very tangential it just

556
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,840
really hammers it down

557
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,799
and

558
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,360
let's get into that like

559
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,960
there's probably a lot of people that

560
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,880
deal with this and don't even come

561
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:47,039
forward

562
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,559
there's there's many people out there

563
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,960
i've talked to so many people who you

564
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,080
know like i said i don't really talk

565
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,600
about the paranormal in my past but um

566
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,039
on the rare occasion that it would come

567
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:59,360
up i would have inevitably someone would

568
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,640
say oh yeah

569
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,480
i had this encounter when i was 10 and i

570
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,000
never said anything to anybody and i've

571
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,760
kept it secret and i can't tell you how

572
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,159
many paranormal podcasts i personally

573
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,840
and i know you personally that everyone

574
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,760
else out there has listened to where

575
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,520
someone said yeah i had this encounter

576
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,760
and i never told anybody so you can

577
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,159
imagine the the you know millions of

578
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,159
people out there

579
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,640
from all walks of life from all ages

580
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,559
countries different you know just

581
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,320
different backgrounds who have had some

582
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,799
sort of brush with a paranormal

583
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,679
the unexplained and it completely threw

584
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:33,440
the world upside down and they either

585
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,559
suppressed it or it tormented them they

586
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,400
couldn't suppress it or what have you

587
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,640
but they they never said anything either

588
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,559
because they they knew they wouldn't be

589
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:45,360
believed or they were scared of ridicule

590
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,840
i i knew a lady who just came forward um

591
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,080
just recently and and she said yeah i

592
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,440
just had a you know i had a paranormal

593
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,200
counter when i was stationed

594
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,120
um you know ufo encounter when i was

595
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,720
stationed in the air force and i've

596
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,480
never it was 20 something years ago and

597
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,400
i've never told anybody

598
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,799
so um you know

599
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,720
you'll be surprised at how many people

600
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,480
will come forward and say hey yeah i

601
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,000
remember you i remember you told me

602
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,559
about your story i had an encounter too

603
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,919
and um so yeah i mean it's it's just

604
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,679
it's kind of heartbreaking and this is

605
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,159
why i want to you know i think one of

606
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,919
the reasons why i did want to get my

607
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,000
story out there and i do my podcast is

608
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:26,720
because i'm trying to normalize

609
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,400
paranormal encounters there's so many of

610
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,919
them and you may have one little

611
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,000
encounter but that's still valid that's

612
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,669
shouldn't be afraid or ashamed you

613
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,600
should be able to share that without any

614
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,679
judgment and if someone is that's their

615
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,280
problem you know someone wants to be

616
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,080
judgey and skeptical and rude at that

617
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,679
that's their problem but i want to

618
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,919
create kind of a safe space for

619
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,440
paranormal in town

620
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,880
and counties or whatever you know people

621
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,200
that have encountered stuff that

622
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,280
are afraid to talk and i want people to

623
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,840
feel like they can come to me my podcast

624
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,200
or you know me writing a book or

625
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,960
something like that i will absolutely

626
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,559
keep people anonymous if they that's

627
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,720
what they want but um

628
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:10,799
sometimes getting stuff off your chest

629
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,559
is so therapeutic and i want to

630
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,440
again normalize paranormal encounters

631
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,159
and just be like yeah you know this is

632
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:22,159
this is what happened to me um you don't

633
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,200
have to have all the answers you don't

634
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,440
have to figure it out just talk just get

635
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,039
it out you know

636
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:29,200
and that's kind of what i hoped to do in

637
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,320
my

638
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,520
sort of new role as it were you know now

639
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,679
that i have

640
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,000
this podcast and i you know am writing

641
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,679
more books

642
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:42,799
um i just want people to feel

643
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,240
safe and coming um out and saying you

644
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,520
know what what they've been through i

645
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:49,279
mean and it could be just the tiniest

646
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,559
little thing but

647
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,080
they they you know something happens

648
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,559
when you verbalize a trauma or something

649
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,760
and it really

650
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:56,720
um

651
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,360
it just it it's quite therapeutic so i

652
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:02,159
really just want to help more people

653
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:03,279
like me

654
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,360
who suffered um a lot um from paranormal

655
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,120
encounters because they didn't have

656
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,640
anyone to turn to they didn't know who

657
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,360
to tell and um

658
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,960
they can tell me you know they can tell

659
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,960
my podcast or not or just write in

660
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,240
sometimes you know you have people write

661
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,919
and say hey look don't publish this but

662
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
i just got to get this off my chest and

663
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,760
it's like cool absolutely

664
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,000
so you know what i mean i i see the

665
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,000
benefit and getting these things off

666
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,520
your chest and that's just kind of what

667
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,600
i want to do just create a safe space

668
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,880
for people who

669
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,679
are suffering with paranormal ptsd is a

670
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,520
real thing

671
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:39,840
yeah and it is

672
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,640
something that um i believe when

673
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:45,039
verbalized like you said it expands your

674
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,520
power it lets you go into um an area

675
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,799
that

676
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,039
it's it's important to bring them up

677
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,880
and let's let's go into um

678
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,279
let's go into some of the

679
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,279
some of the areas that people usually

680
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,200
like you said have these things happen

681
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,440
and then they don't want to discuss them

682
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,600
and something i'm sure you knew i would

683
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,919
ask about is the foot monster can we

684
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:11,520
explain the listeners

685
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,840
the events

686
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,200
surrounding and the experience with the

687
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,279
foot monster

688
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,200
well this was when i was still very

689
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,200
little about two or three years old four

690
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:24,480
around there and the the nightly torment

691
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:25,030
was

692
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,080
[Music]

693
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,080
just something i expected every single

694
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,760
weekend when i went to visit my dad and

695
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:31,919
his wife it was like that's that's what

696
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,360
happened i closed my eyes barely

697
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,720
um

698
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,559
on those weekend nights knowing full

699
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,320
well that i was not going to sleep well

700
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,320
i didn't sleep hardly at all as a kid

701
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,200
and

702
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,880
um

703
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,640
i remember

704
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,520
some of the torment was the bed shaking

705
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,559
the covers being ripped off um

706
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,799
you know the sheets just go flying um i

707
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,600
remember um having something laid down

708
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,520
next to me i remember hearing sounds

709
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,039
feeling whispering

710
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:04,480
even the breath on my face and my ear

711
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,360
um

712
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,360
you know terrifying stuff and i remember

713
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,279
one of the the things that that whatever

714
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,600
this thing was doing whatever it was

715
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,590
full on had some sort of like long

716
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,840
jagged fingernails because

717
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,480
at night my feet were and i would sleep

718
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,120
with bare feet and something would just

719
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,279
grab my feet

720
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,200
repeatedly throughout the night i would

721
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,200
just start to kind of doze off just

722
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,200
start to get into some sort of peaceful

723
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,559
sleep and then

724
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,919
scratch scratch scratch you know

725
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,240
something was with really jagged nails

726
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:39,919
was just

727
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,799
clawing at my feet and i finally got so

728
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,480
freaked out i started

729
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,840
you know my little four-year-old brain

730
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,080
was like um i know i'll wear fox and

731
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:50,320
maybe that'll stop it sure

732
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,200
um

733
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,360
i didn't know any better so i wore socks

734
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,279
and that kind of stopped it for a little

735
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,520
bit so i was like really

736
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,520
excited that i kind of won

737
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,200
i kind of won one you know what i mean i

738
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,039
was like yeah okay whatever this thing

739
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,200
is i foiled it

740
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,039
and um

741
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,760
i remember telling my my my dad and

742
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,679
stepmom i remember telling them that i i

743
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,120
had to wear socks to bed and they were

744
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,840
like why and i said so and i again i

745
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,360
didn't know any better i was just like

746
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,200
well there's a foot monster and he's

747
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,679
constantly after my feet so if i wear

748
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,720
these

749
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,640
socks then the foot monster can't get me

750
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,840
and of course they thought that was

751
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,679
hilarious they laughed and laughed and

752
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,520
laughed and i'm like no no no you guys

753
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,720
don't understand i have something

754
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,159
tormenting me and of course both of them

755
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,399
did not believe in the paranormal

756
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,840
and um

757
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,919
you know i i got ridiculed and laughed

758
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,919
at because i guess it sounded adorable

759
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,559
but it was based out of survival i i had

760
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,880
to wear socks because if i didn't if i

761
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,440
forgot even one night then the you know

762
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,360
these jagged fingernails would come back

763
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,679
and it was just terrifying

764
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,760
and that's something i happened as that

765
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,919
happened to me as well as a child

766
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,080
shamelessly i have to admit that but

767
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,960
you've had some amazing gifts early on

768
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,520
which are outlined in the book can we

769
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,760
tell the story of when you knew

770
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,919
something was wrong with your dad and

771
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,000
your mom called in it was pretty amazing

772
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,559
you had these gifts

773
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,120
yeah i've always been able to i know

774
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,799
when someone's talking about me good or

775
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,559
bad i know when someone's thinking about

776
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:19,919
me good or bad i know when someone's

777
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
about to call me text me email me um i

778
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
know sometimes when i'm like living with

779
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,840
someone i know when they're um like say

780
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,200
they go to the grocery store and they're

781
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,880
just about like they came they're coming

782
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,080
back and they're just about to walk in

783
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,600
the door i know when they're coming home

784
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,799
from work um it's just a weird tuning

785
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,039
into something and my father and i have

786
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,640
always been very tuned in i've always

787
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,840
known when he was going through

788
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,360
something and

789
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,279
um

790
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,520
at this point in the story in my life i

791
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,799
had moved

792
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120
in with my mom again i was about 14

793
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,799
years old and we were out in the

794
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,720
backyard and we were just talking about

795
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,000
you know this or that something

796
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:57,679
completely unrelated

797
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,799
all of a sudden i get this rush of panic

798
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,760
fear oh my god something's wrong and i

799
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,640
kept seeing my dad's face and i kept

800
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,600
seeing an ambulance at the same time and

801
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,279
i immediately panicked i didn't know how

802
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,720
to filter those sorts of things back

803
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,559
then now i can go okay something's

804
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,159
happening to dad and there's this thing

805
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:18,399
and blah blah blah but at that time

806
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,279
um

807
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,760
i was so young and it was so i was you

808
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,840
know just getting like to where i was

809
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,480
starting to realize oh i have abilities

810
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,880
you know what i mean so i had no i had

811
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,279
no idea um

812
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,200
and i remember i it

813
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:34,559
it was so

814
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,520
that i it wasn't just a little hint of

815
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,960
something it was like someone came over

816
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,440
and like knocked me over that's how

817
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,440
like strong it was

818
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,200
and i remember just panicking i remember

819
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,880
looking at my mom and i remember i

820
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,240
probably looked like i'd seen a ghost

821
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,600
but i looked at her and started

822
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,559
screaming mom mom call dad call dad

823
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,720
something's wrong call dad

824
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,279
and i i was so paralyzed by what i was

825
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,120
feeling because it was so

826
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,600
numbing it was so terrifying that i kind

827
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,120
of went numb and i couldn't feel

828
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,399
anything i couldn't do anything i could

829
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,720
barely walk i could barely breathe

830
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,120
um

831
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,720
[Music]

832
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,799
it was just it was the most terrifying

833
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,320
feeling and i said

834
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,600
please call dad call dad something's

835
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:17,039
wrong something's wrong and she tried to

836
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,080
calm me down because she thought i was

837
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,159
having anxiety attacks i said no no no

838
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,159
no this is something else this isn't me

839
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,240
this is something else and she said okay

840
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:26,399
so we ran into the house and we had a

841
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,559
landline a rotary phone landline and um

842
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:32,480
she went over and my dad was still

843
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,760
working at a office building

844
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,320
downtown and so she called that bill she

845
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,480
called that office and she said where's

846
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,159
so-and-so and

847
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,600
the the guy my dad's co-worker hung up

848
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,799
on her

849
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,120
and she got she hung up on me she

850
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,880
started screaming she got so mad she

851
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,279
called him again she said where is he

852
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,840
don't you dare hang up on me and then my

853
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:58,399
dad's co-worker said um

854
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:02,480
his wife just got into a deadly accident

855
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,559
and he's on his way to the hospital

856
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:07,760
so

857
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,279
yeah i had picked up on all of that

858
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,679
it's pretty amazing and this is

859
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,799
something i believe

860
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,360
you have found along with scores of

861
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:21,360
other experiencers

862
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,279
and that is that this this sort of thing

863
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,360
can follow people and

864
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,880
is it your opinion

865
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,279
or where do you sit on this subject does

866
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,039
this activity follow you no matter where

867
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,679
you're at a little bit

868
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,559
um you know i think it's just me

869
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
i think i am i you know especially and

870
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,760
again i'm writing another book on it but

871
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,399
there is a tie between neurodivergency

872
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,840
and esp not all the time not you know

873
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,240
not every psychic is neurodivergent not

874
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,880
every neurodivergent person is psychic

875
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,679
but there is a a definite correlation

876
00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,600
between those two at

877
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,960
you know with for a lot of people um

878
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,640
i was actually talking to kathleen

879
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,240
martin who was the niece of betty and

880
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,600
barney hill

881
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:08,640
and

882
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,120
the

883
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,960
percentage

884
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,440
of experiencers

885
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,600
who are neurodivergent who have seen

886
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,120
ufos have you know some sort of

887
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,480
encounter she said it's a good 86

888
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,720
that's a huge number

889
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,200
and so as i mentioned in the book my

890
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,440
mother and i are both neurodivergent we

891
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,760
both had these abilities and i honestly

892
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,679
think it's just electrical i think we're

893
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,519
wired in a certain way where we pick up

894
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,559
on other frequencies if you will and so

895
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,000
um

896
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:45,519
for me

897
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,559
it's not so much it follows me

898
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,159
i think because sometimes we get into

899
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,840
that mentality of like we go to a place

900
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,799
and then

901
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,480
we have paranormal and sometimes yeah

902
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,399
that is the case things will follow you

903
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,000
home for me on the other hand no matter

904
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,880
where i go no matter where i'm at

905
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:05,760
on a plot of land i'm outside i'm in a

906
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,480
house i'm in an apartment if there is

907
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,640
something paranormal there i will pick

908
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,720
up on it because i am just wired that

909
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,679
way

910
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,880
you know

911
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,039
and i like that you say it that way i i

912
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,480
like that you say

913
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,720
wired because it it's it seems like

914
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,760
experiencers the activity is often

915
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,240
described that way in this subject

916
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,440
matter and let's get into grays

917
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:31,519
what they may or may not be in your

918
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,600
personal experiences with them

919
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,000
well you know first grade i have never

920
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,240
personally have seen one or had any

921
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
encounter with one i did have a ufo

922
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,320
encounter when i was about 18.

923
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,840
um my mother though had an encounter and

924
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,679
she has four

925
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,679
for years and years decades that she had

926
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:53,120
a dream no it's just a dream it's just a

927
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,960
dream um but my mother was a spiritually

928
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,519
formidable and just formidable and

929
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,240
just she was so feisty and southern and

930
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,000
tough and you know she would break up

931
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,080
fights she was a tiny little woman you

932
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,480
know all of five six or so but she would

933
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,879
just you know i've seen her getting

934
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,200
like right in people's faces don't you

935
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,879
dare hurt that dog don't you hurt that

936
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,800
person you guys go to your corners you

937
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,000
know i mean i've seen her do all kinds

938
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,919
of stuff she's put herself in the middle

939
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,520
of fights and you know everything and

940
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,520
she's always been the peacemaker

941
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,560
um

942
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,879
and for some reason people always

943
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,960
respected my mom and they always looked

944
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,480
up to her and they always listened to

945
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,639
her you could have this big mean guy

946
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,520
and she could talk him down um i've seen

947
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,240
her talk talk talk people out of suicide

948
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,240
i've seen her talk to drug addicts you

949
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,760
know with needles in their arms i mean

950
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,119
she just

951
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,599
loved people and you know was always

952
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,359
there and was never scared she was never

953
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,040
scared ever i mean she was like the most

954
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,599
toughest person i've ever met and so

955
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,760
um

956
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,079
in the late 60s

957
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,760
way before whitley street burst

958
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,920
communion close encounters

959
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,960
any of that

960
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:02,960
anything before any like a you know a

961
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,119
good decade or so before any sort of um

962
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,560
um

963
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,880
you know gray like encounters were kind

964
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:12,720
of vernacular you know kind of everyday

965
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,760
mundane pedestrian kind of talk

966
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,280
she had this what she thought was a

967
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:18,560
dream

968
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,280
herself on a ship

969
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:26,320
and there was a very tall gray

970
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,440
it was at least six feet tall or taller

971
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,000
it was wearing a blue robe

972
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,599
like tunic type outfit

973
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,440
it was she said it looks just like a

974
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,839
robe it was it folded over and had like

975
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,640
a belt and it had bell sleeves on it and

976
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,640
she said it was a blue shimmery fabric

977
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,400
and she told me she said this fabric did

978
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,839
not look like

979
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,760
anything i had ever seen on earth and my

980
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,000
mother used to make my siblings clothes

981
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,720
so she was fairly familiar with fabric

982
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200
and we're talking the 60s so you know

983
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,200
it's just i don't know what kind of

984
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,640
fabric they had back then but you know

985
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,520
mostly cotton i guess but

986
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,560
she said that she she this this fabric

987
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,160
that this robe was made out of looked

988
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,440
like metal

989
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,520
it looked like a form of metal

990
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,359
and she said it shimmered and moved in a

991
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,200
way that didn't look like anything she

992
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,880
had ever seen on earth

993
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,760
and

994
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,160
this gray was wearing some sort of

995
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,800
insignia kind of like a general wood you

996
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,760
know the sort of bars on its uh lapel to

997
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,000
signify i guess she she had

998
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,839
my mother's impression what she told me

999
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,760
was that this gray was higher ranking

1000
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,440
than the other greys

1001
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,359
and it was female

1002
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,040
and i know we don't assign genders to

1003
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,880
these things but

1004
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,880
she just got that impression so

1005
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,960
she said this thing was

1006
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:44,000
um

1007
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,359
for lack of a better we're giving her a

1008
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,200
tour of the ship and it was showing her

1009
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,760
around and she said it put something in

1010
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,680
her hand like the size of a coaster that

1011
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,599
you would put your drink on but it was

1012
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,320
like this metal disk and it looked very

1013
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,839
much like

1014
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,160
um

1015
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,480
like the feel of the united states

1016
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,119
and she you know with the the eagle and

1017
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,880
the shield and everything and she

1018
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,599
exclaimed to this gray oh my gosh that's

1019
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,920
what we have back home that looks very

1020
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,119
similar

1021
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:15,680
she then remembers

1022
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:16,720
walking

1023
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,240
into a lift of an elevator and she says

1024
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,760
she was in this in this elevator with

1025
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,320
the gray they the the elevator door

1026
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,240
opens up just like a star track she said

1027
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,920
it was like and this was before star

1028
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,880
trek

1029
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,160
so

1030
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,720
my mom said that she

1031
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,200
and this gray walked into this room that

1032
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,880
was dimly lit

1033
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,800
there was like little seats and there

1034
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,119
was this control panel

1035
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,720
and she's remembered everything being

1036
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,000
very smooth and very brushed metal like

1037
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,760
um kind of like stainless steel

1038
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,440
appliances you know kind of just very

1039
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,160
brushed metal smooth there was no knobs

1040
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:53,920
or levers or anything protruding or some

1041
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,760
buttons there was nothing like that and

1042
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,599
she remembers this gray

1043
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,760
walking over to a

1044
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,200
control panel of sorts and my mom said

1045
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,680
with this long skinny fingers it went

1046
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,200
like this and just kind of moved its

1047
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,440
hand glided its hand over this control

1048
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:10,720
panel

1049
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,640
um

1050
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,480
lit up and the whole entire room lit up

1051
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,560
and it powered like whatever this

1052
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,280
craft was it just powered it right up

1053
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,640
and my mom said once she saw that she

1054
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,640
snapped out of her stupor her like

1055
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,320
awestruck super

1056
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:31,119
and started screaming and losing it and

1057
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,720
telling this great i want to go home i

1058
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,320
want to go home please take me home i

1059
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,240
don't want to be here anymore

1060
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,589
you know gently and calmly told her

1061
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,359
we're not here to hurt you we don't mean

1062
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,320
any harm you're safe you're fine you're

1063
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,720
protected you're okay and she was like

1064
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,400
no no and my mom was at this point

1065
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,920
inconsolable because she said that as

1066
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,160
soon as she saw what power these things

1067
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,200
wielded

1068
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,800
you know if it goes like this with its

1069
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,280
hand and completely powers up everything

1070
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,680
she's like what could it do to me and so

1071
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,200
she was scared for her life at this

1072
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,440
point so she was screaming and screaming

1073
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:07,760
please take me home please take me home

1074
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,560
and

1075
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,880
she then remembers waking up in her bed

1076
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,320
sitting up and

1077
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,560
uh for a second she was kind of out of

1078
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,000
it and then she said she remembers

1079
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,599
jumping up on the bed

1080
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,320
and there was a

1081
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,720
window above my parents bed and she said

1082
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,240
she jumped up on the bed and parted the

1083
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,240
curtains to see if there was a crack

1084
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,400
outside

1085
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,839
so

1086
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,200
my mom

1087
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,880
just she said after that she just had

1088
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,800
the creepiest feeling like she was being

1089
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,240
watched

1090
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,079
and she sometimes would go to bed with

1091
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,680
like a butcher knife she would be really

1092
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,599
scared after that but she kept telling

1093
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,960
herself it's just a dream just a weird

1094
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:44,880
dream just a dream and she

1095
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,680
she excused it away and as i got older

1096
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,440
she told me more and more about it and i

1097
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,640
kept saying mom i don't think that was a

1098
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,839
dream and of course she didn't want to

1099
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:53,119
hear that she was like no no it's a

1100
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:54,079
dream but

1101
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,200
i said mom i don't think that was a

1102
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,880
dream um

1103
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,640
but yeah i mean that was my mom's

1104
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,920
encounter she had a really uh

1105
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:04,319
apart from being terrified had a really

1106
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,560
um nice tour of a spaceship i guess and

1107
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,640
she said the grave was very calm and

1108
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:12,079
kind to her

1109
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,960
so

1110
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,680
that was my mom's encounter

1111
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,319
yeah it's and it's an amazing one let's

1112
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,040
let's go into um something slightly

1113
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,200
different which is astral traveling what

1114
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,839
do you think it is

1115
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,160
or what is taking place when we believe

1116
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,200
we are astral traveling

1117
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,880
oh my goodness this is one that i've

1118
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,920
never

1119
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,599
technically experienced for myself

1120
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:37,359
except for that the couple of times that

1121
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,319
i was out of body

1122
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,000
to be quite honest with you i think

1123
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,640
again we are electrical our hearts

1124
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,240
function on electrical current our

1125
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,920
brains fire at electrical current you

1126
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:49,440
know what i mean everything in our body

1127
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,960
is electrical oh for sure um

1128
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,480
and i think that's what we are i think

1129
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,800
we're just a clump of molecules and um

1130
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,880
meat bags you know

1131
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,480
and a meat bag you know i mean that's

1132
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,160
just what we are we're lugging this meat

1133
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:03,920
back around and i think we're we're

1134
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,200
really just a clump of energy electrical

1135
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,000
static electricity you know energy and

1136
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,520
i don't know that's just how i always

1137
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,400
felt about it and um

1138
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,240
whatever scientific evidence we have

1139
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,319
towards that does support that you know

1140
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,440
when people

1141
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,599
do expire um

1142
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,359
the electrical charge does leave the

1143
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,480
body so you know what i mean it's

1144
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,480
maybe it is that maybe we are just you

1145
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,119
know clumps of electrical energy

1146
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,400
and

1147
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,440
i think that astro traveling maybe is

1148
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,720
just that

1149
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,960
bit leaving the body i feel like it's

1150
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,079
able to

1151
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,839
in some weird way again i don't have all

1152
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,240
this you know answers my mother astro

1153
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,200
traveled and she didn't even

1154
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,520
try to you know what i mean so

1155
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,680
um i think

1156
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,200
you know when we come when we start

1157
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,000
manifesting things when we start praying

1158
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,000
for things and things start happening or

1159
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,520
thinking about something that happens i

1160
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,040
i really believe that there is no

1161
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,119
distance when it comes to that sort of

1162
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,800
thing when it comes you know because

1163
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,560
i always was told

1164
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,160
by people who believe in prayer there is

1165
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,560
no distance in prayer and um and i

1166
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,319
believe it's just whatever it is whether

1167
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,240
it's a good thought or prayer like a

1168
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,760
full-on prayer it's just good

1169
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,400
energy being sent your way and however

1170
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,319
that form takes whether it's electrical

1171
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,920
energy whether it's something you know

1172
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,000
in the ether that you put out

1173
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,400
i don't know um

1174
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,079
it's still really it's very interesting

1175
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,880
to talk about um it's it's interesting

1176
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,960
you know it's interesting to mull over

1177
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,119
um but honestly i don't know what astro

1178
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,920
travel is other than you know maybe our

1179
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,079
our um yeah because people do transform

1180
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,480
and after traveling all the time

1181
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,440
so you know maybe we can harness

1182
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:49,200
our true

1183
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,440
maybe we can harness those things

1184
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,160
and project them somewhere you know some

1185
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,000
people have that kind of

1186
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,440
control

1187
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,160
so um i really don't know i don't i

1188
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,760
don't have a lot of answers on that i

1189
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,680
love talking about it because you know

1190
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,240
you're i love a mystery you know i love

1191
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,520
a good mystery when it comes to

1192
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,960
something like that i love you know

1193
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,960
getting the facts and saying okay we are

1194
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
we do function on our electrical

1195
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,079
currents so

1196
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,240
what is that exactly happening here you

1197
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,319
know i mean are we are we really dying

1198
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,079
or is just a

1199
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,079
a fraction of our energy leaving i mean

1200
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,200
what is it you know

1201
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,200
yeah exactly and people get divided on

1202
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,520
you know according to what they think uh

1203
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,839
is is taking place

1204
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,319
let's um go into

1205
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,160
it's always enjoyable i like talking

1206
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,079
about this stuff because we're both into

1207
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,480
it um

1208
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,800
what's uh always enjoyable discussing

1209
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,119
topics we're both passionate about tell

1210
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,440
our listeners as we wrap up where they

1211
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,960
can find you

1212
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,640
buy the new book the boogeyman

1213
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,720
chronicles and keep up with what you're

1214
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,800
doing

1215
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,960
well um right now you can find the

1216
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,160
boogeyman chronicles on amazon you can

1217
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,480
you know find it pretty much on online

1218
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,520
anywhere

1219
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,040
it's pretty much everywhere

1220
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,680
it's on audible as well um

1221
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,520
and the boogamin chronicles right now

1222
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,680
we're still on youtube we took a little

1223
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,880
hiatus

1224
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,319
but we are going to come back with more

1225
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,599
guests

1226
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,079
and more stories and um you know try

1227
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,760
different formats and whatnot but still

1228
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,359
you know this is still an experimental

1229
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,359
phase but again i i want to hear

1230
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,599
people's stories i don't care how

1231
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,079
insignificant you think they are um you

1232
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,400
know you always have a safe safe space

1233
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,040
with my podcast with my

1234
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,839
books and whatnot um i am starting to

1235
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,280
write

1236
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,960
more books and i'm in the process of

1237
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,200
writing

1238
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,119
books about

1239
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,599
indigenous perspective of the paranormal

1240
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,359
so if you're indigenous and you have

1241
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,200
paranormal and this includes you know

1242
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,440
all like i was i was talking on another

1243
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,040
podcast there's you know the paranormal

1244
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,000
runs the gamut from scary cryptid ufo

1245
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,880
ghost demons whatever to the visit from

1246
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,480
grandma you know what i mean that's

1247
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,480
paranormal too yeah you know grandma

1248
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,640
comes to you in a dream and says you

1249
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,240
know do this do that don't do this get

1250
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,520
your life together whatever you know

1251
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,720
what to do but that's a paranormal

1252
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,200
experience as well um so i will i will

1253
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:17,839
take any paranormal encounters if you're

1254
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,280
indigenous also i'm writing another book

1255
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,680
about military and law enforcement so if

1256
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,920
you have been in the military or law

1257
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,280
enforcement and you've had a paranormal

1258
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:29,440
encounter i would love to hear about it

1259
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,280
and also i'm writing another book um

1260
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,680
and gathering stories uh about

1261
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,680
neurodivergent so if you're autistic

1262
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,200
have adhd

1263
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,960
and you've had any sort of ps uh ptsd um

1264
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,800
if you had that too but if you've had

1265
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,720
any other esp episodes whether it be

1266
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,800
just one or a lifetime

1267
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:50,560
i would love to hear about those as well

1268
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,760
so you can get in touch with me at

1269
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,440
boogiemanchronicles outlook.com i would

1270
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,599
absolutely love to hear your stories and

1271
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,839
use them in my books because i like i

1272
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,359
said i really want to further the

1273
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,160
discussion on all of these topics and

1274
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,319
normalize paranormal encounters and um

1275
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,079
take the giggle factor out of them and

1276
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,480
give people a safe face and

1277
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,839
so i really would love to share your

1278
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,680
stories and if you know you want to

1279
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,280
remain anonymous you can absolutely do

1280
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:16,960
that so

1281
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,400
yeah and it's so true what previously in

1282
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,800
society has been seen as misfortune

1283
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,640
notwithstanding like

1284
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,520
any any unless you're into theology a

1285
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,440
lot of times people would have

1286
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,800
these events take place and they were

1287
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,640
hammered for being everything from

1288
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,119
witness witches and sorcerers to

1289
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,599
witnessing something that was evil

1290
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,880
and

1291
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,720
the truth is

1292
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,680
that throughout time this has been these

1293
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,400
uninvited entities have entered our

1294
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,040
space with reckless abandon

1295
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,599
in a variety of forms whether and i know

1296
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,119
you and i are both passionate about it

1297
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:57,200
but yeah they can they can enter our

1298
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,880
reality or our existence in ways that

1299
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,440
you know your book hammers in so well

1300
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,319
like all the the the different um the

1301
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,880
different ways that these quote-unquote

1302
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:12,000
boogeymen can enter our reality and

1303
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,359
influence us

1304
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,599
and i i think you've got a great podcast

1305
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,119
going on i think you have a great thing

1306
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,480
going on and

1307
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,960
yeah it is it is something that has

1308
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,040
always sort of

1309
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:26,000
been there in culture regardless of

1310
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,520
anybody's culture

1311
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,319
these uninvited entities that seem to be

1312
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,079
from beyond the veil

1313
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,240
nowadays a lot of things are going down

1314
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,160
the consciousness route you know like

1315
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:39,040
this is just us accepting us viewing us

1316
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,480
in a different

1317
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,119
dimension and it can keep going but it's

1318
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,040
it's so unscripted the way this is going

1319
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,559
and i think that

1320
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,760
the quest is important because we're

1321
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,200
obviously here for a reason whether

1322
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,040
that's a light quest or

1323
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,800
otherwise and

1324
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,839
um the protocols that i think people are

1325
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,440
starting to take it's important to have

1326
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:01,760
safe spaces like the boogeyman

1327
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
chronicles podcast or other places where

1328
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,640
people can find

1329
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,359
you know some kind of a venue to

1330
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,680
explain what it is they're taking part

1331
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,040
in because

1332
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,640
i agree so much with what you said

1333
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,640
earlier i can't i can't remember exactly

1334
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,440
the wording you used but each experience

1335
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:21,599
of each individual really is kind of

1336
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,280
like a brush stroke in a larger painting

1337
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,480
and

1338
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,880
we can bring them all together we have a

1339
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,800
lot better idea what's going on and it's

1340
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,880
super important um

1341
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,200
yeah i'm i'm i'm super excited about

1342
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,599
your book i think it's been received

1343
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,960
very well

1344
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,800
and um

1345
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,040
yeah how are how is everything else

1346
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,119
going and what you said you're thinking

1347
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,160
of

1348
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,800
writing another book this is exciting

1349
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,800
i'm i'm actually right in the process of

1350
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,960
gathering stories for three more books

1351
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,280
um because i can't just do one thing at

1352
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,440
a time that's not how i function i guess

1353
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,400
with my adhd but um but yeah i mean i

1354
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,800
i'm working on three other books um i

1355
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,280
want to get in the indigenous

1356
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,359
perspective of the paranormal because it

1357
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,880
is different it is viewing the

1358
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,400
paranormal from a completely different

1359
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,359
angle

1360
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,240
um and i don't when i when i read

1361
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,880
paranormal books and stuff like that i

1362
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,440
rarely hear from indigenous people and

1363
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,800
it's like where

1364
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,319
where are my people at you know what i

1365
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,280
mean like

1366
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,040
there's i know i know there's tons of

1367
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:27,520
stories i have quite a few friends and

1368
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,040
they're like yeah i was visiting my

1369
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,559
family on the reds and this happened and

1370
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,160
blah blah blah you know so there's a lot

1371
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,640
of stories indigenous stories out there

1372
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,520
and i want to get those stories um

1373
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,040
people need to hear them

1374
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,559
um and i want to separate because

1375
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,880
there's a there's a weird thing where

1376
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,640
people think that and you know native

1377
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,119
americans indigenous people are extra

1378
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,119
special they're extra they're magical

1379
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,440
and they fly and they're like no we're

1380
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,839
people but you know i think what it is

1381
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,960
and what we what you and i have

1382
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,680
discussed before previously is that

1383
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,599
when it comes to white culture and

1384
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,160
indigenous culture there is a definite

1385
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:05,280
cutoff of you know by the time you're

1386
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,720
what five or six or so no more santa no

1387
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,480
more um

1388
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,160
your tooth theory no more this number

1389
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,839
that it's time to you know sort of being

1390
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,599
practical here you know let's let's stop

1391
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:18,000
with this nonsense and so anytime if you

1392
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,119
if you have a pair you know if you're

1393
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,640
like say a white person or something or

1394
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,480
you're in that sort of world if you have

1395
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,920
a paranormal encounter nope doesn't

1396
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,319
exist doesn't happen whereas there's not

1397
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:28,000
that separation

1398
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:28,800
in

1399
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,400
has been wiped out but um

1400
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,200
you know for many tribes there's so many

1401
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,359
stories because there's not that cut off

1402
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,680
date of like okay no more paranormal

1403
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,400
encounters or no no more fantastical

1404
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,480
sort of fantasy things for you it's time

1405
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,480
to get practical you don't have that

1406
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,960
separation so um

1407
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,920
again i i think uh you know indigenous

1408
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,680
people for i know from my own experience

1409
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,240
and from my friends experiences that um

1410
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,319
there is not that sort of like immediate

1411
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,920
cut off at like you know five or ten or

1412
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,680
whatever that you know there is no such

1413
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,680
thing as a paranormal because it's so uh

1414
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,000
permeating in the culture there's just

1415
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,400
there's just no separating so i think

1416
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,839
that's where people

1417
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,839
you know people who aren't indigenous

1418
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,000
kind of get mixed up where they don't

1419
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,079
know why indigenous people are are

1420
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,720
having so many encounters or are being

1421
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,119
so spiritual um and of course it's how

1422
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,800
we're portrayed in the media but it's

1423
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,040
it's still there's there's not a huge

1424
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,200
separation uh when it comes to the

1425
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,280
paranormal those sorts of things are

1426
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,839
commonplace and indigenous culture so

1427
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,680
um so i want to get those stories and

1428
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,280
then i'm you know i'm also very curious

1429
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,640
because i did grow up in a law

1430
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,599
enforcement and military households and

1431
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,640
how the paranormal how military and law

1432
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,920
enforcement people deal with the

1433
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,599
paranormal because again that's that's

1434
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,960
something that doesn't exist right you

1435
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,400
know and they deal with just the facts

1436
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,520
so um i love seeing how the paranormal

1437
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,599
affects people like that how it really

1438
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,280
shakes up their world and how they cope

1439
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,520
with it it's very interesting to watch

1440
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,280
so i want those stories and of course

1441
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,400
i'm writing

1442
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,920
um a book about neurodivergency and esp

1443
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,599
and i um

1444
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,680
put a few comments out there on facebook

1445
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,520
you know just like hey is anyone

1446
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,520
neurodivergent and have esp and wouldn't

1447
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:16,079
you know it i got a million replies of

1448
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,440
people saying

1449
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,240
uh yeah i've been psychic or whatever

1450
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,839
you know lack of a better word my whole

1451
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,839
life or yeah i have this weird thing

1452
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,920
that i can guess people's babies like

1453
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,440
the gender of them when they're you know

1454
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,040
still in the womb and i mean just

1455
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,920
interesting really weird interesting esp

1456
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,000
kind of stuff and it's just like wow

1457
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,160
there's a lot of us out there so i want

1458
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,400
to hear those stories as well so yeah

1459
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,559
i'm in the process of writing three more

1460
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,079
books and i really would love to hear

1461
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,280
your stories

1462
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:45,040
i think that's great you have such a

1463
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,040
great viewpoint and you know it is such

1464
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:51,200
a refreshing alternative

1465
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:52,400
to see

1466
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,280
um

1467
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,400
yeah your your ancestry come in and

1468
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,240
drawn into these belief systems because

1469
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:01,359
i think it's something that you know it

1470
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,440
is familiar for many people and uh as we

1471
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,720
wrap up

1472
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,280
um i want to ask you too much more about

1473
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,240
um

1474
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,839
what the books are going to be about but

1475
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,920
let's uh you may have already put the

1476
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,160
website out there exactly where people

1477
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,000
can listen to your podcast

1478
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,079
and and that but let's put it out there

1479
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,480
just in case we haven't yet

1480
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,480
oh yeah um so like i said right now

1481
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,680
we're just still on youtube we're gonna

1482
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:30,160
try to move into spotify later uh in the

1483
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,960
year

1484
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,680
but um but right now um just go to

1485
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,280
youtube and type in the boogieman

1486
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,520
chronicles and uh we're right there we

1487
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,760
have you know a handful of shows that

1488
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,200
i'm really proud of um we really try to

1489
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,760
go in depth um into people's stories

1490
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,000
because again i like when it comes to

1491
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,400
you know people's stories uh like they

1492
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,079
always take terry lovelace because he's

1493
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:54,480
a doll he's such a sweetheart but um

1494
00:54:03,270 --> 00:53:55,200
he

1495
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,280
um devil's den incident and that's great

1496
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,599
i i wanted to hear that incident but i

1497
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,160
also had us making suspicion that he had

1498
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,119
encounters as a kid and this was not

1499
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,760
something that was just a and you know

1500
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,079
an experience that he had in his adult

1501
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,440
life this was you know something that

1502
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
had been building up

1503
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,880
so and sure enough he did so i like

1504
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,960
sweeping the corners when it comes to

1505
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,200
these people's stories i like getting to

1506
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,119
like okay what was your very first

1507
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,520
encounter what what did you see what did

1508
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:31,200
you feel what happened and then what

1509
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:33,040
happened after that and then after that

1510
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,480
and did you have any weird dreams did

1511
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,160
you you know what i mean i love getting

1512
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,480
all of the details and just gathering up

1513
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,920
all together instead of just hitting

1514
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,319
those high notes let's let's let's hear

1515
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,000
the whole story so um our our

1516
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,319
our first guest was terry and um because

1517
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,799
we were sweeping all those corners of

1518
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,440
you know his whole life and story um we

1519
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,200
ended up going like two and a half hours

1520
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:56,480
each time

1521
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,799
and um so yeah his his um his podcast uh

1522
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,040
with us or his interviews with us were

1523
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,440
quite long but i really wanted to get

1524
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:08,160
all of his story um past present and

1525
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,559
future so um yeah we got those and um we

1526
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,680
we just recorded with kathleen martin um

1527
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,599
she's a sweetheart and really a

1528
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,359
wonderful guest but

1529
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,599
the audio didn't record so we have to

1530
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:23,280
meet with her again and re-record it so

1531
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,880
i was so upset about that because it was

1532
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,520
such a great interview but um

1533
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:29,359
yeah we've got all kinds of folks we got

1534
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,160
you

1535
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,119
and we've got um keith johnson who was

1536
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:35,680
on the ghost you know on going on taps

1537
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,040
those hunters he was uh you know um

1538
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,240
um

1539
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,240
one of the one of the people on that

1540
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:45,040
show and then we have paul eno who is a

1541
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,920
very

1542
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,079
uh well-versed uh paranormal

1543
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,680
investigators been doing this longer

1544
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,400
than we've been alive you know um he's

1545
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,000
been you know worked with the warrens i

1546
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,079
mean he's got tons of stories tons of

1547
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,200
books and we've got um deb cobble white

1548
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,200
who is just uh

1549
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:03,200
everybody loves deb everybody loves deb

1550
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,720
she's the greatest she's the sweetest

1551
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,760
ever and um she'll just you know she

1552
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,680
could talk for hours and she's wonderful

1553
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,079
and so she um she told us all about her

1554
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,160
encounters as well and her also her

1555
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,440
childhood encounters because she had

1556
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,559
quite a few

1557
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,760
so

1558
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,319
well you always try to help people and

1559
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,440
it's so amazing the

1560
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:25,920
authentic and original people that you

1561
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,160
meet whether they're friends clients

1562
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,640
you have struggled to accept your

1563
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,640
abilities for decades and it's so good

1564
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,359
to finally have you helping people

1565
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,680
telling everybody the book got me so

1566
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:40,319
stoked and i i appreciate you sharing

1567
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,040
your

1568
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,960
through the paranormal and i hope we

1569
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,280
talk again soon mg this has been a great

1570
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,599
uh podcast thank you

1571
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:51,280
yeah absolutely thanks for having me on

1572
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,240
and uh

1573
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,839
when the other books are getting ready

1574
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,559
to really be released i'll let you know

1575
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,240
thank you so much have a great one and

1576
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,640
we'll talk soon take care

1577
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:02,160
okay bye-bye

1578
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,520
well there you have it ladies and

1579
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,559
gentlemen mg stevens with her new book

1580
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,799
the boogeyman chronicles

1581
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:12,240
and uh epic stuff great episode tonight

1582
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,680
definitely check out the boogeyman

1583
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,520
chronicles podcast

1584
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,920
read the book the boogeyman chronicles

1585
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,079
it's also on audible

1586
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,920
and until next time keep your eyes to

1587
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:24,720
the skies feet on the ground but don't

1588
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:52,710
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